20 Questions with Ellen
Baking is Ellen Gray’s personal sport and she speaks fluent pie. As they say, the proof is in the pudding and her blog No More Mr. Nice Pie was a finalist in the 2018 Saveur blog awards in the baking and sweets category. A trip through her site’s photos and recipes is like walking into a magical world of delicate pastry, seasonal fruit, and poetry, complete with confidence-building tutorial every step of the way. When she’s not baking professionally or writing on her blog, she whips up witty words and delicious recipes for Saveur and Food52.
I had the good fortune of meeting Ellen briefly at our shared writing coach Molly O’Neill’s annual event The Longhouse Food Revival where she was serving up her famous pies with scoops of ice cream. The following year, Ellen and I were some of the lucky attendees at a food writing retreat, hosted in absentia by our dear Molly, at Julia Child’s summer home in the south of France. Daydreaming about this experience, I’m at Julia’s famed kitchen counter, observing Ellen rolling out pastry for a summer vegetable tart featuring our haul from the local fresh air market. We often muse about when can we go back.
What’s your 20 minute recipe? You can make a pie in 20 minutes. Crumb crusts are quick, and really if you’re organized, you can do it. Key lime pie, the recipe is right there on the can of sweetened condensed milk, only takes a few ingredients and 15 minutes in the oven. If you’re smart, you’ll make two and freeze one. Frozen Key lime pie can be a dessert life saver! It serves up like a citrusy semifreddo.
What’s your favorite city? Whatever city is warm in winter and cool in summer and serves great food. I love them all!
What’s your favorite restaurant in your current city? Arturo’s in Maplewood, New Jersey, adjacent to where I work. It’s the BEST pizza place. They are amazing! The New York Times wrote it up. It’s tiny and there’s always a line.
Treasured find in the back of your fridge? When I find some squirreled away rhubarb in my freezer, it’s just amazing. It makes everything better.
Who taught you to cook? Three women. My mother, paternal grandmother, and her housekeeper Jessie. She really taught me how to feed a crowd.
What’s your go-to dish for company? Chicken pot pie.
What’s on your cooking playlist? I vacillate. Jazz, classical, music from the 70’s, show tunes.
Coffee, tea, or Kombucha? Absolutely coffee! With some whole milk. I grew up with a Chemex before anyone called it a pour over. I still brew this way.
Date night—at home? or out? We see a lot of theater, we are very lucky. So we don’t do a traditional date night. I’ll run from work to the train and meet my husband at the show. Sometimes I’ll grab a dollar slice on the way and arrive with a smudge of sauce on my cheek.
Most stained cookbook? I have a beloved copy of Silver Palate. I just adore that book. I also turn to the Farm Journal’s Complete Pie Cookbook again and again.
Indispensable kitchen tool? I’ll tell you what you can’t really replace is an offset spatula.
Staple childhood comfort food? Homemade chocolate pudding with marshmallows in the bottom.
Who would you most like to share a meal with? past, present or fictional? Laurie Colwin.
Go-to olive oil? Frantoia from Palermo. Made in the antique olive oil pressing tradition by five generations of extra virgin olive oil producers,
Ideal grilled cheese? The BEST I ever had, at Borough Market in London. Assortment of cheeses, the Shire medley. It’s remarkable!! I dream about that grilled cheese.
Favorite pizza topping? Well-made fresh tomato sauce, really delicious fresh mozzarella and fresh basil. There’s really a small summer window for this and it always tastes better when you’re in Europe. UNLESS you get a really good dollar slice and they’re not usually a dollar anymore. They’re more like $4.
Where would you want to take a cooking class? Wild Flour Bread near Sebastopol, California. I want to learn to make bread and scones there. When you walk in it’s like when the colorized part of the Wizard of Oz happens.
What’s your Counter Intelligence cooking tip? People tend to be overly critical when they’re making pie. They need to relax a little bit, it’s only pie. They can try again.
Three things next to your stove? Kosher salt in a very generously filled OLD salt cellar that belonged to my grandmother, an oversized pepper mill, and a framed Charles Schulz comic strip of Lucy scolding Snoopy about junk food and Snoopy says, “come back and have some doughnuts and potato chips with your cupcake.” It reminds me of wisdom of the late Jonathan Gold. Be a curious eater. Don’t do what everyone else is doing.
What’s your favorite sports team? Whoever my children choose as their favorite soccer team. Really whoever has the best jersey. My sport is baking and I’m a runner. I’ve run lots of half marathons. I’m happiest as a team of one.
How do you bake a pie in 20 minutes? Divide the steps: first make and bake the crumb crust. Next mix the filling, pour it into the cooled crust, and bake for 15 minutes. Following Ellen’s advice, make two pies and you’ll spend almost zero minutes making dessert when you’re in a pinch!
Graham Cracker Crust
1¼ cups graham cracker crumbs
¼ cup packed light brown sugar
¼ teaspoon kosher salt
6 tablespoons unsalted butter, melted
STIR together the graham cracker crumbs, brown sugar and salt in a medium bowl.
ADD the melted butter and toss with a fork to incorporate. Butter a 9” pie plate and press the crumb mixture into the bottom of the pie pan and up the sides. (A small measuring cup is helpful for smoothing the crumbs evenly into the pie plate.)
CHILL the crust while you preheat the oven to 325 degrees F. Bake the crust for about 8 minutes, just until it turns golden. Remove from the oven and set on a rack to cool while you prepare the filling. Increase the oven temperature to 350 degrees F.
Key Lime Filling
Delicious as-is. For Ellen’s over-the-top embellishments, check out the LIME section in her recipe index.
4 large egg yolks
1 can (14 oz.) sweetened condensed milk
2 teaspoons lime zest
1/2 cup Key Lime juice (Ellen uses Nellie and Joe’s- available in most supermarkets)
PLACE the egg yolks in a large mixing bowl. Using a handheld electric mixer, beat the egg yolks for 5 minutes until thick. Add the sweetened condensed milk and the zest and beat until smooth, then gradually add the Key Lime juice, beating on low speed to combine.
PLACE the cooled pie shell on a baking sheet. Gradually pour the filling into the crust and bake the pie in the preheated 350 degree oven for 15-17 minutes. The pie will be set around the edges and be the slightest bit jiggly in the center. Remove from the oven and let cool completely. Cover with plastic wrap and chill for several hours until firm (or freeze for the ‘semifreddo’ texture, or for later).
CUT into thin wedges and serve as desired. A dollop of whipped cream and thin slice of lime? Or go over the top with Ellen’s extras. ENJOY!